Your Past Doesn’t Define You // S06E05

Don’t be afraid to love on those that are completely different than you! Those that have different views, appearances or backgrounds, they may be completely outside of your comfort zone but you may well be the only person that can help them. You could be the one to take them to God’s eternal love. In today’s episode, we hear a story that could only be orchestrated by God’s divine appointments. Tiffany Whittier was just what God needed to take the gospel to His beloved son, Michael Kent.

WHERE TO FIND THEM:

VERSES FROM WALLS DOWN:

Ephesians 2:14.

QUESTIONS FROM WALLS DOWN:

• Are you listening to others?
• Are you sharing your story?
• What does God’s love look like?

QUOTES FROM WALLS DOWN:

“You weren’t putting all your faith in other people, you weren’t putting your faith in your gun but you were putting your faith in what God had already instilled in you to treat him like an individual.”

Michelle Watson, The Pantry Podcast, Walls Down.

“We’re all sitting here talking about how Tiffany walked up to the door and she was all alone, but she wasn’t. She had the father, the son, and the holy spirit. When she walked up to your door, there were four people at your door.”

Shea Watson, The Pantry Podcast, Walls Down.

“Look what Jesus has done. All he has done for all of us. And so many more people just by sharing our story.”

Tiffany Whittier, The Pantry Podcast, Walls Down.

I found my way back to the Lord, Jesus Christ. I started believing. I know the sacrifices and tribulations I went through when I was a child. And growing up, that was God’s will.”

Michael Kent, The Pantry Podcast, Walls Down.

Annotated Transcript:

Shea: What walls have you built up that God wants to tear down. Sometimes we build up defenses that actually hurt us more than they can help us heal. Are you ready to walk into a conviction for the sake of recovery?
Shea: Hey, I’m Shea
Michelle: And I’m Michelle.
Shea: There is a battle being waged. It’s not flesh, it’s not blood, it’s spiritual, and we need to be prepared. The last thing a warrior wants on the battlefield is spiritual anemia. So when the enemy attacks, we need to be prepared,
Michelle: Well, we don’t always realize where the attacks are coming from or that we’re being attacked at all. This is the pantry podcast, and we’re here to remind you of who we answer to what we’re capable of, and how we are called to do it in every aspect of our lives.
Shea: Season five and naturally flourish. We’re gearing up. We’re season four, left off looking at God’s unusual, amazing and miraculous methods of elevating relocating, and redeeming us into his purpose in ways the world can’t access,
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Michael Kent: I spent 20 years. I hate, I hate it. And everybody now I’m going to spend the next 20 years, the rest of my life, love and spreading the word alone. And God, you know, because we need this. I hate takes so much energy, but I love is just a simple gesture. But a lot of people, a lot of people are afraid to admit that, you know, because we’re so worried about society and stuff, and they think I’m alone. I feel this way. I feel that you know what? Y’all go through the same emotions I go through. So does Tiffany. But, but once we converse and talk to one another getting uncomfortable, we find out we all do the same stuff. All in, we all have the same battles. That’s what makes me and Tiffany continue doing what we do. But it’s things like this.
Michael Kent: And people like you guys shared these incredible stories as you call them, but we don’t consider them incredible stories because this is normal everyday life for us. Now, a lot of people are afraid to show their emotions. We’re healing, a lot of hearts and you guys have given us that voice. You guys have given us that site and you are helping other people because it’s open in other people’s minds. And I’m so thankful to be able to be part of this and doing this stuff because it’s much more than monetary value. You never give it’s an emotional illness, spiritual healing. That’s what saves us each and every day. I’m sorry.
Michelle: No, look, I sensed that you were going to say something, so I’m gonna just start recording, right? And I was like, that’s how the episode is going to start. We’re just going to start this episode differently. So welcome. Awesome. Wait, just let, just let, let’s consider this, but the open welcome. So who you just heard was Michael Kent. Um, and there’s someone else here you’re gonna hear from in a second, Tiffany Whittier, Tiffany gained Michael’s respect moment. She drove up to his home alone one night to meet her latest parolee. Michael can’t serve time for racially rooted crimes while a member of a white supremacist group. And even though she knew this, it didn’t change her decision to arrive alone because she had God. What began that day as a story of healing, deliverance, and rewiring for God’s glory.
Shea: So we’re going to let Shea kind of open us up. We started this episode really cool, unique, different than every other one. But, um, but really quick, I encourage people to buy. I found love from I am second because it contains stories from Tiffany and Michael, our previous season, two guests, Jessica Long, and people that, you know, like Carrie Underwood and Danny Gokey as long as well as a dozen other people that are all pointing their stories towards God’s power and their testimony. So welcome to you both. I’m going to hand the mic over to Shea for a second to get us started.
Shea Watson: This is like, this is like the best opening. I think the pantry podcast has ever had because we like to do it differently. We are, we are not that normal podcast that, that fits in with an algorithm and we beatbox. We do all kinds of it’s really kind of fun, but, I’m listening to, to this beauty to God working and I find it incredible because it, it shines a light on God who sometimes we put inside of a box. Stories, like these, are an encouragement to everyone the weapons of our warfare, not of the flesh, but have divine power to destroy strongholds. That is incredible. That is something that we lack in society today. We don’t have something that can tear down strongholds. There’s not enough of us.
Shea Watson: There’s not enough of us who want to go out in the love of God and just pour out our love onto someone else or onto other people, or watch this, see Michael, hear it. He still had God’s love. He still had God’s love. Even when he thinks that he was in this imperfect position, he still had God’s love and see when to, when God starts to work, we start to see this love come together. And when the strongholds are torn down and his love is manifest, so welcome to our episode. And it’s awesome to have y’all
Tiffany Whittier: It didn’t happen. So yeah, I’ve always been a believer of Christ and I’ve just gone to Michael’s house that evening. I told myself, get there before it starts. Cause I saw his case file and what he was about, but I didn’t. Yeah. I could have easily judged. Oh, saying, oh, this is who, this is. I better have some backup because this is what’s going to happen to me. But no, I felt safe. I listened to my instinct and maybe it was God talking to me saying, you’re going to be okay. You’re going to be okay because it was getting dark. And there was a pit bull in his yard. I mean, just all look bad, but all looks, you know, but something said to me now you still need to go through with this, um, and follow through and see this person. And I’m glad I did because look what it’s brought.
Tiffany Whittier: I mean, look what Jesus has done and done for all of us. And so many more people just by sharing our story. But most importantly, look what it did for Michael. Um, it opened up Michael’s heart. Um, we wouldn’t be sitting here today. I don’t think if I would not have gone to his home that day alone. I think if I would’ve gone there with two people that could have, cause it can be very intimidating. Um, you know, hearing him with a vest on and a gun. And if for two people to show up at your house, you don’t know them to say, oh, by the way, you have a new probation officer. And here’s my backup with me to make sure everything’s going to be okay. You know, it could have been totally different. So from Michael, I’m so glad that I went there by myself because I wanted him to feel comfortable. I wanted him to see me just as I’m here by myself. I’m not coming, coming here to threaten you on that. Coming here to scare you. But just to see, look, I’m, I’m here to meet me halfway. Let’s start a conversation. And that’s exactly what happened. And it grew from there. It was just, it was just amazing. I mean, looking back at it now, we’re very thankful. And now we see it, that this was all God’s work, putting us together for us to meet that day. Right. It was definitely God’s work.
Michelle Watson: You know, it makes me think what you just said of the story of judge Gideon and how he had all of these soldiers with him to go defeat the opposing army. And God said, no, if you take that many, I’m not getting any glory, the human tendency to bring back up, to bring all the worldly weapons, to bring all the support. Sometimes then we don’t give God credit. We don’t notice him when I listening to him. But you were like, I don’t need all that. I’m trying to, I’m trying to meet this person as a fellow person, you know, and, and allowed God to work. Cause you didn’t, you weren’t putting all your faith in other people, you weren’t putting your faith in your gun. You were putting your faith in what God had already instilled in you to treat him like an individual. Um, even though, you know, some of his past suggests he didn’t treat others like individuals, cause he was seeing one thing you didn’t care. You didn’t allow that to be what blinded you and Michael
Shea Watson: On that, on that night that she came, you know, one of the things that we heard from you, you know, like in that moment that she came to your door, you know, it’s like that weakness, you know, you’re like, wait, here’s one person, no one comes to my house. You know, they always come with tools. It doesn’t matter who they are in her weakness. You know, there was some strength and some power that was at work. And of course, we know that’s God. Now, what were you thinking that night? What was going on in your mind? Like, whoa, who’s this or what, you know,
Michael Kent: It’s funny, but it’s not thinking back on it. By at the time, it was a very serious situation. When she first came to my house, either they’re trying to set me up or the probation office really didn’t like her send her out here. But certainly, that’s how tense the situation was. Right? As I said, no one’s ever came up to my house by himself, by themselves. And she had the courage, and that threw my walls down a lot. And that’s all I can say is I have respect for you and me and she still talk about a lot of situations. Like she’s seen pictures of me. That’s not all files that I had individually picked. She goes, oh my God, Michael, I never knew I knew your file, but I never knew it was like that. And she goes, I might’ve second-guessed myself, but going there all that’s been a race, right?
Michael Kent: It’s like, I have so much respect and love for this woman because of everything she did for me and it’s been a journey with my kids, my family, she was there. I buried 11 people in one year, a lot of stuff. And I tried to commit one night and out of everybody, I called, I called her. And unfortunately, it put me back in, uh, incarceration because of it. But that’s how much love and everything I gave to this woman because of her. I found my way back to the Lord, Jesus Christ. And I started believing and I know the sacrifices and tribulations I went through when I was a child. And growing up, that was God’s will you don’t make everybody that has an easy life in a sense, challenge our faith and make sure and know that we are following the right path. And I know God’s love is what made me push through and made me the man and everything I am today.
Shea Watson: We’re all sitting here talking about how Tiffany walked up to the door and she was all alone, but she wasn’t. She had the father, the son, and the holy spirit. When she walked up to your door, there were four people up to your door. You just couldn’t see him. And it was the perfect way to come to your door. Do you know? Like she said, if they would, if they would’ve come in for, with, with officers or a bunch of people, but no, no, no, no, no. She came with supernatural power. She came with the ability to knock down a wall and see, she didn’t have that power in herself, but she had it through the holy spirit. It’s like, God has continued to test it. Get there before dark, but hold up, hold up. Oh, it’s dark. I’m still going and see obedience and see, and I’m hearing this I’m hearing like, even from, from Michael, it’s like this obedient feeling how he’s saying like, no, it’s where I need to be.
Michelle Watson: Even if it’s something that the world would say, oh, that’s smaller. Oh yeah. That’s smart to have that security blanket. Like not going after dark. Right. But he will set things up in a way because he wants you to be strong in your faith and know that even if your security blanket isn’t there, he’s there. So what he does is he sets things up and allows things to happen in such a way that even that very reasonable request doesn’t happen.
Shea Watson: What’s been rewired in you. Like there’s gotta be something there’s gotta be. I know it’s your job, but I’ve heard that like 20 times I watched all the interviews. It’s time to break down that wall for one second.
Shea Watson: And I want to hear a little bit of the rewiring light, like, and where that comes from, what that’s done in your relationship with God and how you carry that forward.
Tiffany Whittier: Let me know for sure that this was what I was meant to do. I was meant to be a service and I say of service in a sense of my job, but in the big scope of it, it’s for Christ. I’m speaking as a diaper, as a disciple of Christ. You know, I’m speaking his word, giving people opportunity. And second chances, not judging, wanting people, people to be better than when I started with them. And they come to me with the negative in a negative situation, but I want them to leave with something positive. And in turn for me, I’m getting that growth and seeing them like Michael’s grown tremendously. A lot of my other clients are growing, um, just mentally, spiritually finding and finding what makes them happy. Seeing that they are, they are worthy. Cause a lot of the people that I’m working with, don’t see it within themselves. And I’m here to tell them, look, I’m the biggest cheerleader on your supporter? What you don’t see, I see in you that you are worth it and you are loved and you need your you’re. You’re a person. I see it. I see the joy within you, but you don’t see it within yourself. And I want people to learn how to see that and find that for themselves. And that’s, and that’s what it’s brought for me that I know I’m doing this job because this is what I’m supposed to do. Yeah. Um,
Shea Watson: So I’m gonna, I’m gonna dig a little bit deeper in there cause, cause you’ve hit something that I, I, I as being so military, myself, growing up through the ranks and always give being, given the soldiers that nobody wanted pretty much, it was like, they were rejected. There was no hope for them and they would send them to me. Um, and then of course I have my own history. So I think that’s where that came from. But finding that quality, right. Finding that one good point. So I’m going to ask you, how does Tiffany kind of work that causes you to know, we don’t always want to just tell him, Hey, this is a good point and I’ll work on it. So how do you draw that out? How do you like when you spot that? How do you draw that out?
Tiffany Whittier: You can, but each for us, so each person is different, but you have to really start those conversations talking and before they know what they’re telling you stuff like, oh yeah, I used to be able to do this. I like to draw and they show me their work and I’m like, there it is right there. You don’t see this. You’re able to draw. I draw stick figures. If we were to play Pictionary together, I want you on my team because I’m a sick person. I can’t do that. But for others, I can help find the inner glory if that’s what it is through conversation and just identifying it. I don’t know. It’s just people telling me, Tiffany, you have a way of just getting it out of people. I could talk to somebody. I need them within five minutes and they’re telling me their whole life story crying. I don’t know what it is, but I have this ability for people to feel comfortable and feel like they can just start vomiting out the mouth, their life story to me. Now, Michael,
Michael Kent: I want to actually touch on that note. The thing that makes Tiffany so unique and lets her help so many people as she’s one of those people, she doesn’t talk. She keeps her mouth shut. She listens. And by her, by, by her listening, these people tell them what the problems are. That’s how she opened up to me. She didn’t say, well, you’re white supremacy. You’re a racist. You hate black people. Or you’re a drug addict. You’re a thing. She goes, Michael. So what happened? What’s the deal? What can we do? How can I address these issues? How can we move forward? How can we move passes? So many people, even in a lot of the faith, even a lot of church, people say, you need to do this. You need to do that. You need to do this. You need to do that. But if you actually just sit there and listen to the gospel, listen to the Lord’s word, you’re going to pick it up.
Michael Kent: Instead of somebody cramming it down your throat. And that’s exactly what our relationship was like too. She didn’t say all these things that were wrong with me. She just shut the heck up. And let me tell her what my flaws are because I love them. It’s not being forced. It’s going natural. It’s going organic. And that’s how she’s been so successful at what she does. And this is how she’s helped. So many people, a lot of people have a love and respect because if all God did was talk, he could be pointed out the flaws on everything and ever, but instead, he wanted to know what can we do to make this better? How can we do it? Sometimes he has to sit back and let humanity and let us destruct ourselves before He can fix us. She listened to what I was telling her.
Michael Kent: And then she says, you know what, Michael let’s think about this. Well, obviously what you’re doing, wasn’t working good for you because you don’t call me more than you need to, but it opened up so many more doors. And that’s where it is when she was coming over to my house as I said, I had swastikas all over my house, Hitler, pictures, German war flakes. My vehicle was like that. And this woman, I don’t even know why the heck I listed her. She says you know what? Start taking down some of that negative stuff you have on your wall. Start putting up more positive. It’s like, who the heck is this woman telling me this? Do you know? And next thing you know, she said, so when you go to bed, you see something positive and you wake up, you see something positive. I don’t know why I listened to her.
Tiffany Whittier: And he actually did it. I was like, he actually listened to me
Michael Kent: Because she listened to me. It’s like, okay, well she’s given me an answer. Let me give her an inch. And by doing that, my hate level went from this, started going down like that. It took so much energy out of me to hate so many people. What the heck? It only took a freaking poster. It took something so small but opened my eyes back to love and understand and forgiveness and redemption. And that’s one of the reasons why I was the way I was because how can somebody love me when I don’t love myself? Right? I started loving myself and I started feeling so much better and my heart started opening it up. And I still tell her still to this day. We, again, talk about a lot of stuff. Well, man, why are you still here? 11, 12, 13 years later. We don’t understand why we’re still in each other’s lives. So want to talk to each other because we still get in arguments. Best of enemies.
Michael Kent: We can’t get it, continue helping each other grow, but just to see how our lives are so different but so intertwined. It is so, so real and so amazing. And it’s been a blessing in itself. I don’t know where I would be in my life, in this world today with, without her and one that we just had an interview with right before this. And they said something that dropped me to my knees in tears. If Tiffany was gone tomorrow, I don’t know where I’d be. She’s been my rock. She’s been my backbone. She’s been my spiritual guidance throughout this whole thing. Even still some of these times, I still give up faith in a lot of stuff because I deal with a lot of stuff with my past marriage and my kids and everything else. She’s the one that’s what are you doing when you came so far? Michael, come on. The Lord has a place for you. The Lord has something for you. This is what it’s supposed to go. You’re stronger than that. And I am so thankful that
Tiffany Whittier: My side, see, I guess for me, what’s, what’s so difficult. Michael. Michael is so able to speak on it. And me, I just feel like I’m very humble. Like I honestly, I feel like I wasn’t doing anything I wasn’t supposed to do. I was being me. So it’s really hard for me to find words and say, well, how come you did that, Tiffany? Well, that’s because that’s the right thing to do. I wouldn’t know any other way not to do it. Um, to treat, I don’t know. It’s just, it’s hard for me to find words because I really cannot pinpoint, this is what made me do this. Honestly, my parents, me being raised in the church, I felt like when I went to church, I really didn’t listen because I felt like I was forced to go now. I don’t know, but at some point, I mean, it’s instilled in me because I want to see people be better people. And for Michael, I didn’t see him as different. I, I know you want more and it’s so hard for me to come up with the words to say, well, this is why, honestly, all I can say is I was doing what all I know I could do, right? There was no other way for me to do it with, if I wouldn’t have gone there with somebody else or not treated Michael, if I would have treated him differently, that would have been out of character for me. Right? Michael Kent: Put yourself in my shoes as looking at me, looking at you, have your coworkers and go on to different aspects. Whether the job you’re at now or job, they’re helping people. Are you doing more for people than other people? You see how other individuals treat people. Then you got to see and understand where it’s our point of view, how we feel before you open your mouth. And you say that you’re doing something natural. Natural is what other people do. So take a step. So you can’t speak on that. Sorry guys. I had
Michelle: No, I thank you for bringing that up. No, I think because you were so young, which is a testament to how important it is to bring your kids to church. Y’all we always bring that up. Like just keep them around the body in the Lord. But for some, this would be a rewiring, but because of how long you were exposed to the word, you don’t even know when you were wired to think this way. Right? And I think that that is insightful in its own way, because when you are in Christ, you don’t always, you can’t always pinpoint when you changed. I can’t pinpoint the day that I could no longer bear to listen to the same music that I did before Christ. I can’t pinpoint the day and I can’t pinpoint what 15 things I did or listened to. That changed my heart. I just know God rewired me at some point over time where I no longer could stomach the same lyrics that were talking about glorifying things that were not of God. And don’t bring people joy. I can’t write. That’s. What I think of with you is that as the goal for many is something that you, based on God’s call for your life. We’re given at some point, we’re not even gonna say young. We don’t know when it came in, but we know that you operate, like what Michael said, you operate differently than the standard, right? And what’s different. You will have submitted your life to Christ. And that is why you operate higher. I will say that because I know it comes from Christ. You operate at a higher standard in this area of life than most people are used to experiencing. Even from fellow believers, not every believer has the same ability and capacity to be good at everything that the rest of us are. But it’s important for people listening to understand that they won’t always know, but there is a fruitful change that can happen when you are surrounded, just right.
Michelle: Like Michael said, like the belief, like a believer who’s around the world will pick up the word because the word is living and doesn’t return void, and it will go and plant itself in your heart, as long as you’re continuing to be willing to hear it from the Lord, like, it’ll come. So the whole, you know, don’t look at the speck in the other person, cause there’s logging yours. It’s like, yeah, youth the log in your own is, you know how big it is. Cause you can see yourself up close, but the other person, you can only see them from so far distance. So it’s always gonna look like a speck, but you’re more preoccupied with that. And so it’s important for us to just sit there and say, okay, I’m going to focus on loving this person with the love of Christ, but also humble myself enough and open myself up enough to allow myself to be corrected by a fellow person in Christ, you know like Michael allowed you to do. And I think, I think it’s just such a cool multilayered story for people to chew on. Yeah.
Shea Watson: I love your answer by the way, Tiffany. I really do. I, I see this banter in all of the interviews and I love it and it’s one of the reasons there. They’re awesome. They’re, they’re just like awesome. But I also understand that, that like, I, I can forgive, I have this ability to forgive that I don’t even understand. And I’ve gone through a lot of have wronged being wronged in wrongs in my life as well. Kind of like Michael, we don’t batch out at all this other stuff. Right. Um, but I ran to two paths. I had this path that looked really good. And I was under the current over here doing all kinds of shameful things and um, but forgiveness, you know? And so it got, I like what you’re saying, Michelle, I love that. You’re saying that like, this is something that God has put into her that God has instilled in her.
Shea Watson: It doesn’t really necessarily have to be explained because it’s seen right. Um, you know, I think it’s better. And the Bible tells us, don’t go around flaunting, you know, praying out loud. I mean, you know, all that kind of stuff. And it’s at Tiffany’s that prime example of that like, look guys, I don’t know, but, but one thing she does say, and I’ve heard her say it and I’ve read it, it’s changing her and her relationship with God and with Christ, there’s changes going around everywhere. So see, Michael, not only are you changing, but Tiffany is changing. You don’t want people who hear this story and this and this and how awesome it is that God changes people on all different levels at different times. There’s not one story. If we start comparing stories, we got a problem. If we start comparing God in different situations, we got a problem. This think about what God’s doing in us. Right. And that’s what I’m hearing. I love this. I love it.
Michael Kent: And that’s one of the reasons why I love I am second. And the book I found love because you got testimonies from all different perspectives, all different types of people. And we all deal with our battles. We all have our testimonies and we all have tribulation, but we all came to the same thing. We all found love. It took us some of us more, some of us less, but it’s, we all have our battles, whether you’re famous, whether you’re Joe Schmoe, whether you’re, you know, something, we all deal with the same battles. We still deal with the problems and trials and tribulations. But that’s what makes us God’s children. Right? You know, we all make mistakes. We all overcome. And a lot of people say, well, that never, that will never happen to me. Or that never happened to me or this, or, Hey, they’ve had a better life than me, or they came from money or whatever. You know what, if you sit down there and listen, we all struggled the same. It’s just how we interpret it and how we deal with it. So that’s what makes I found love and awesome book, because you can hear all the paths that they went through and the trials they went through. And it’s, it’s such an amazing book. And I’m glad that Doug bender actually came out and did that and listened to all different people’s aspects of it. It’s an amazing book. Yeah. Yeah.
Tiffany Whittier: And just what the impact of, you know, each person’s story in the book and how price has played a part that’s huge. Anybody can relate, they can put themselves in that situation, in any one of those stories. Um, but God is always there. Christ is always there. Sometimes you just have to listen really hard, but he’s there.
Michael Kent: Are you talking about me that I don’t listen. She always tells me I do more talking than hers. Sometimes you got to let me have my chart. You know, something, but you know what she’s doing the same thing she’s listening. And then, and then when she comes in, she brings in that light, that nugget like, yeah, here you go. That’s
Michael Kent: A good thing because this is especially with her. And I, we talked about, it’s a very sensitive and touchy subject for a lot of people, right? And that’s one thing that people is always related to with our story. Because throughout the bad times, we can see the joy and the happiness. We can make the bright, the brightness out of it. And it sets a sensitive and touchy times, you know, it is a hard subject to talk about, but the only commonalities we have is that we have the Lord Jesus Christ on our side and that’s being there and it’s helping us walk that walk and talk that talk. So with that, I’m just so glad of all the people and everything we’ve had in our lives, that’s actually helped us on this journey. You know, and I’m thankful for pantry podcasts and you know, a lot of the other publications we did the Christian magazines we did.
Michael Kent: And it’s been a blessing because it’s helping, not only that, not only people like me, but it’s a lot of Christians because a lot of Christians are afraid to come out because they’re different as well and stuff they’re afraid to speak out to the church because they’re afraid to be the outcast of the church because of the demons and the stuff that they went through. And so if they’re afraid that they won’t be or whatever, but it’s given a lot of people courage to come out and do that. It’s the church being able to help people like us too, because we all have our dinner demons. A lot of people are closed. Mindedness is bringing a lot of people together and that’s great people to talk about and share. I’m thankful for the opportunity to be doing these podcasts. Awesome.
Shea Watson: And Tiffany, anything you want to say as we start to wrap this up? Thanks.
Tiffany Whittier: Yes, like you say it. So you articulated so well. And I struggled over here trying to get words out of my mouth, but it’s, you know, and I feel the exact same thing. Michael said, um, I’m very thankful and appreciative of these opportunities that we’ve been given. This has definitely opened my eyes. I’m doing what I’m supposed to do. Right. I am where I’m supposed to be, I’m supposed to be working with people and encouraging people. And I’m like, you’re doing it. Whatever aspect is, it is. As long as I’m working with people and not the same kind of desk, eight to five, I know I will be where I’m supposed
Shea Watson: Praise God. Amen. Praise God. And so that’s, that’s a man. That’s, that’s just a beautiful story. That walls can be torn down. That stronghold’s holds can be broken and I’m gonna read a verse. Um, definitely. I love verses. And I think that when we hear this, it really encapsulates what we’re talking about here, because I think Jesus, no, I don’t think those words. I know Jesus does things. And I know that Jesus brings peace and Ephesians 2:14, it says for Christ himself has brought peace to us. He United Jews and Gentiles into one people when in his own body, on the cross, he broke down the walls of hostility that separated us. He did this by ending the system of law with his commandments and regulations. He made peace between Jews and Gentiles by creating in himself, one new people from the two groups together as one body Christ reconciled both groups to God by means of his death on the cross, and our hostility towards each other was put to death. He brought this good news of peace to you, Gentiles, who were far away from him and peace to the Jews who were near. Now, all of us can come to the father through the same Holy Spirit because of what Christ has done for us. And that is Jesus. Amen.
Michelle Watson: Thank you both for being here so much, this has been a blessing and we’re praying. That’s a blessing for all of our listeners, as well remember for y’all listening that you can go to the pantry podcast.com to find out how you can connect with both Tiffany and Michael and their story at thepantrypodcast.com. We’ll have links to the videos, to the book, all of that good stuff. And we hope to see you next time. So until then, bye.

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