Are you living in the flesh? //S06E09

Are you living rewired? Or are you walking dead? Three types of death, don’t get stuck in the middle. God has so much more for you to find when you let yourself die to the flesh. Listen to today’s episode to find how to live fully by dying to the flesh. Remember, the Bible is just not one verse, the Bible is rooted. If you want to change, if you want to stop being a walking dead, if you want to come to Christ, get ahold of us or get ahold of somebody around you that knows Christ. But stop walking dead and let’s start living life the way God designed it and intended it to be.

VERSES FROM WALKING DEAD:

Ephesians 2:1-6, Matthew 10:28, John 11:26, Romans 14:84, 1 Corinthians 15, and Matthew 7:7-8.

QUESTIONS & TOPICS FROM WALKING DEAD:

• What is the walking dead?
• What does it mean to die to the flesh?
• Are you living in your full potential?
• How can you discern God’s will?
• What does it mean to be dead in our trespasses?
• What does it mean to be dead to sin?
• Being spiritually dead versus alive in Christ.

QUOTES FROM WALKING DEAD:

“We know the truth that we don’t have to do anything to achieve immortality. It’s what we are, what is that one choice that dictates our eternal address. And when you come there, you get a new set of convictions and a new set of priorities and you start to pray, hopefully for wisdom.”

The Pantry Podcast, Michelle Watson, Walking Dead

“You have the unbeliever and you have the believer, right? It’s rewiring to understand who God really is, what the consequences are. And actually how he changes, how he captures those thoughts and changes us for better,”

The Pantry Podcast, Shea Watson, Walking Dead

“God is offering the table was set before us. He like take it. I gave it all to you. You are co-heirs with Christ.”

The Pantry Podcast, Kareemah El-Amin, Walking Dead.

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Annotated Transcript:

Michelle: How dead are you in sin in Christ in self? There are so many ways to look at death and life, but most stop short of eternity. What happens when you die to self and live for Christ? What does it really take to come alive?
Shea: Hey, I’m Shea.

Michelle: And I’m Michelle.

Shea: There’s a battle being waged. It’s not flesh, it’s not blood, it’s spiritual, and we need to be prepared. The last thing a warrior wants on the battlefield is spiritual anemia. When the enemy attacks we need to be prepared

Michelle: We don’t always realize where the attacks are coming from or that we’re being attacked at all. This is the pantry podcast, and we’re here to remind you of who we answer to what we’re capable of, and how we are called to do it in every aspect of our lives.

Shea: This is season six, rewired when you’re saved, you’re saved for good, we all experienced sanctification differently. The more we grow in our relationship with the Lord, the more he transforms and renews our minds. The more we cut the cords of this world, the more we’re charged up in him this season, we’re arming you with the sermon of some of the culture’s most toxic snares

Michelle: Support our ministry, reaching the lost and found in over 51 countries with spiritual and literal nutrition. Every one-time and recurring donation makes a lasting impact, donate through Patreon or pantrypodcast.com. And now let’s dig into the meal.

Shea: Hey man, it’s exciting. Always, always, always. That’s my go-to phrase. Cause it’s like, oh, the lights are on. The cameras are rolling. What’s going on? But no tonight, man, it is exciting. We’re in our new seasons of rewired, man. We have an awesome guest tonight. We’re going to be talking about the walking dead. You know, when we think about that, there is a clear separation between good and evil, you know, God and Satan now, you know, peeps are either living or dead walking dead. I mean, that’s the truth. See Ephesians 2:1-6 really breaks it down and, and speaks to this life and death at the depth and seriousness of it. You know, we were dead in trespasses and sins falling the course of the world, falling the prince of the power of the air. He’s the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience the dead look.

Shea Watson: This was us living in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body of mind by nature. We were children of wrath, no different than the rest of mankind, but God, but God being rich in mercy because of the great love in which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ, by his grace, we have been saved and raised up with him, seating us with him in the heavenly places in Christ. We are no longer dead. We are alive, but there are so many people out there who are still walking dead.

Michelle Watson: It’s such a monumental shift when you realize that reality, that that’s the reality you were blind to. And when you come to realize it you’re most often on the other side, you’re already alive again in Christ. And so, we brought someone on tonight that is amazing. Her bio is one of the longest because I just could not figure out what to take out. She is incredibly inspirational and she’s a mover, a shaker for the kingdom of God. So Kareemah-El-Amin is the co-host and executive producer of relevant DC. A kingdom talk show created to disrupt the mainstream view of the relevancy reality and results of the word of God. Her artistic Evers include her highly acclaimed. First solo EAP. I have no tears for me, her faith-based book and workbook the seven-by-four breakthrough anointing mountain-moving faith, her intention, her internationally published poem. My birthday wish the women, artists and poets advocate the children’s rights touring project, the play locked down legacy, which later was adapted to film in a short, she is busy in the business of the kingdom of God. And we’re honored to have you on the show. So welcome Kareem.

Kareemah El Amin: Thank you so much, guys. And y’all need to find out what the offering basket for that many serving, you gave us, sharing power in the spirit of the Lord. I need offering basket bleeds in the good ground.

Shea Watson: So yeah, we’re, we’re opening a season of rewind. We’re talking about the walking dead. We’ve sat in a couple of awesome, like just chats and talked about this, this idea of the walking dead. And it’s really brought into fruition this whole, this whole idea right here today. And you are definitely in our minds with this, with this idea. So when we say this, when in this rewired mind and the walking dead, what comes to, into your heart? What does the holy spirit lay on you?

Kareemah El Amin: Well, I’m so glad. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for doing this topic and his thing because the walking dead is so profound. Um, but I don’t think we often recognize that there are levels of deadness and levels of life because some of us don’t all automatically live to our fullest potential in Christ. Nor do we live up, um, as bad as we probably could be in death. So when I was in devotion this morning, which is so interesting. So I’m praying, you know, I’m just having my time with God. We kick it. Cause like, that’s my, that’s my boy. I mean, I talked to him like that. That’s my God. I’ve been, you know, acting up a little bit. I had to come and repair it on some stuff. And so he was telling me about the walking dead and living there and people that are dead and he started to break some things down to Michelle, Michelle, and it was just like blowing my mind.

Kareemah El Amin: You know how you’d be like, oh my God, I’m not good enough to even notice, oh thank you. I’m not even, I don’t have enough brainpower to come up with this. But he was telling me there are three stages of death, three different ways that you can look at death. So there’s the walking dead. That of people who don’t know Christ. So you’re just dead. There’s no, that’s just it. And you know, for some people that’s difficult to take, but the reality is that based on the word, and if you don’t know God if you’re not in Christ and you’re dead, but then there’s this two other stages that I go to the last day, then it’s the death of a person who is no flesh. They are actually dead to their sands, their desires. And the, you know, we all know people in Christ that are like that, that are walking there.

Kareemah El Amin: But I always say that about my husband. He’s a dead man. Like literally you do things based on your relationship with God and out of people. And most of us, unfortunately as Christians, we’re still in that middle stage that God was telling me about this morning. He broke it down. I was like, yo, like, whoa, God, this is cool. So you know how it with death when you die to yourself completely, when you think of something that’s dead, that’s completely dead. All the flesh is gone. There are no bones, there’s no smell. It’s nothing. It’s just that. So we have be spiritual. We have a spiritual aroma and what reflects us when we don’t, we haven’t died as Christians, as believers is a future putrid because we still have flesh, but it’s dying flesh, not dead flesh and dying flesh smells. And in the spiritual realm where we continue to commit sin, we continue to live outside of God’s wheel as carnal Christians.

Kareemah El Amin: Then that’s the three stages of the walking dead. There are the walking dead are completely dead. They’re completely dead. And in the sand, completely dead in Christ. And then this is the middle area. People that are walking around, they’re dead. And in the spiritual realm, they have this stint because you still live in flesh. And the only reason you can have an extension, it’s weird because you still have flesh and flesh smells when it’s the cake. So you haven’t allowed yourself to die completely. So walking this perpetual place of funkiness in a spiritual realm, because we haven’t been allowed off, let’s completely dock. We’re still carrying all these fleshly ideas and I’m sure God was bringing that to me. Cause that was repentant about some stuff during my devotion. Like I need to deal with some things. So we’re, we need to die to our flesh in order for God to truly use us. Wow.

Shea Watson: Where’s that offering basket? Let’s just pass that thing around.

Michelle Watson: We’re going to have a big, a big portion to give away at the end. That is so good. Yeah, because what’s cool is when I thought about walking down at first, I’m thinking about the world and how they are the walking dead because they’re walking around dead in sin, as you mentioned. And then I was thinking about, okay, but I’m also dead to self, you know, I’m trying and working and that’s the whole sanctification process, but I love what you said about the stench in the middle. And I think that there’s, there’s no reason to get all caught up and paralyzed and discouraged by the stanch because we know we are in process, right? When you, the beauty of it is you can’t go from alive in the spirit back to die in sin. You know, you can’t go in that way.

Michelle Watson: You can only come back through dying. You’re dead to sin. You’re alive in Christ and you’re in the process. So you can know and take comfort and hope. And the fact that the stench albeit still happening right now, you’re in the process to get to that place where it won’t smell anymore because the dead don’t just come back to smell. And again, it’s a consistent some depending on where you are and the soil you’re in, it can take longer and different and it’ll look different. But the process still is moving in one direction and the enemy will have you believe you can bounce back and forth, regenerate flesh to ride off again, and all of this stuff. That’s not what it’s about. So I love, I love that you brought that up.

Shea Watson: The fact that we die daily. Yeah. You know, it’s like, it’s like, you’re sitting here, you’re talking like, well, you know, people will sit there and they’ll say, well, these people are just, you know, they’re talking like they know everything. And like, they’re just speaking at me and they’re just preaching down at me and they’re telling me these things, but what did we just hear? What did we just hear? We heard that she had something inside of her saying, Hey, hello, you ain’t acting right conviction. Right. Right. Right. And so she starts to devotion. See, she doesn’t turn into herself. She doesn’t turn into shame. She didn’t turn into like, I don’t know, ignoring the problem and say, I don’t hear you. She was like, okay, let me turn into the word. Let me turn into devotion. Let me turn into God. And then God revealed to her through what she’s going through a revelation of the word and of this, of this type of topic of dying and for being dead good.

Kareemah El Amin: The thing that, what God was telling me, cause we were talking about this on our show is that unfortunately, if we don’t, you can’t deal with a problem that you don’t acknowledge or recognize racism and giving us yes, we have grace. Grace is amazing, but it’s not a carte blanche card to continue to live in sin so that you never deal with it. And you just said, what? Grace is sufficient. And you’ll go to heaven, but you’ll never fulfill your greater purpose of life because unless you can die to yourself, you can never get to the levels that God wants to take you. My husband’s always telling me what I got to say about you tonight. It’s his answer to everything. You just need to die. Like, you know what, if you told me that, no, but it’s the truth.

Kareemah El Amin: Everything is about death, everything life in crisis is about death. So it’s a continuum when Paul said I die daily is because you have to die daily, but unfortunately, we don’t want to die. And so we do it. We say what God’s grace is sufficient. It is. But if we only use that and we don’t go to the next level, let’s ask God to help us to not have to die to the same things daily. We’ll never ever get to that level of, uh, you know, it’s a, it’s a scripture that says a faithful man who can find. And when you think about that is because God says, what you think is faithful. And what you think is Christian is not my definition. And instead of us allowing God to show us what we need to die at, we just kind of flow across and never, ever really deal with anything deep.

Kareemah El Amin: And we can then, and God can never really take us into those deep levels where he can really use us to impact His kingdom because we don’t want to deal with stuff because God is still lives. I don’t find faithfulness easy because most of us are not willing to do the work necessary. And that was the one meal you want certain things stop praying for a 19 stop praying for a new level of power and prayer. What I want you to do is to deal with you. And I want to take you through this journey that you’re, I’m showing you all these things that I want you to use me to deal with. And I think that’s a part of that walking dead. And so I want to be that person that I’m completely dead to myself, but that takes me acknowledging that I have places that are still rotting.

Shea Watson: Right, right, right. You know, and, and one of my favorite verses you know, about grace, you know, the throne of grace, but see, I come to the throne of grace for my strength. See, we’re moving. We are constantly moving. Or let me rephrase that. Right. Let me rephrase that as a living body on the, you know, as I have lived through the salvation of Christ, I live, I’m seeking, I’m going after I’m chasing, I’m moving. I’m not just sitting, like you said, throwing out the card of grace, throwing out like I’m good. No, honestly. And I think I’ve heard one of my favorites, you know, my favorite pastor who, I mean, who says this all the time has sprint, but he’s like, I don’t want to live there. I don’t want, I want to watch this. Like your husband, instant grace, instant mercy, instant forgiveness, you know?

Shea Watson: And it’s like, he wants to bring that fourth-dimensional spirit that, that soul that has been covered that has been processed. It’s like, no, no, you’re lifted up now. You’re good. But what are you gonna do for me? Right. And your husband is showing what it’s like, and Brent is working at it. And as I hear it from these, these men of God who are like, no, there’s a better way of thinking. There’s a better way of doing it.

Kareemah El Amin: I’ll bring this to my conversion. You guys know it was a Muslim. Um, you know, up until 11 years ago, you know, and I’m a few years old. I won’t say exactly, but I little bit significant point in my life. And then I became Christian and a part about this whole we wired series and about being rewired was that I never felt that I could own up and be good enough because it was always this, if you’re a good hand, your left hand, always your right hand, if you’re good deeds already, your bad days, you’ll get to heaven. So I was in this perpetual state of fear of not being good enough. So in that perspective, what I love about Christ and grace is that God is allowing me to love and to live, to get better. But his grace covers me because I accepted him.

Kareemah El Amin: I didn’t have that in my form of faith. I didn’t have, it was like either you and or your out, either you all the way in. And nobody was, I was like, do you ever really get to attain that? So I could get so much works, trying to be good enough. And it really is feeling this rejection that you’re not good enough. There’s something that I need to do. And I don’t have to do in Christ. I just have to be. And that’s the beauty about Christianity is this being, I’m a human being, not a human doing. And so when I get entered into that rest of God, that I’m able to really move forward and only in rest, can you die? Because if you try to die in works, it just is. It’s like a hamster wheel. You’re always going over and over and over again.

Kareemah El Amin: So what am I, let me rest in the fact that God loves me in spite of my mill funk. However, he wants to raise me from the funk. You know, I sound like a song from back in the day, you know, get, get out the bug, you know, but in the meantime, God still loves me in the funkiness, but he wants me to like you said, I’m shaped to rise to a level. He doesn’t want me to stay there. He doesn’t want me to be comfortable and the funk he wants to push me. And I’m on the self-development because I keep saying I’ve learned that I’m only as good as, and anything around me is only as good as I become. So I’m not looking at anything external about in my business and my, you know, on several businesses, my husband and I were doing well, but there are so many more places that we want to go, but I know it starts with me developing me. And my first development to me is becoming dead in Christ, looking at the places where God has told me that his grace is sufficient and using that grace to become better as opposed to using it, to stay there. And that’s why I’m rewiring myself. Cause I’m changing me from the inside out. So then my external environment will look different because my internal environment has changed.

Michelle Watson: When you talk about the rewiring from, from my side, it was when I came to this conclusion about the eternal mindset that I talk about, this, this flip switch, where you realize I might die. But the word says, I go to sleep in a way that I can’t, no other human could wake me from, but I’m just asleep. And the world has a lie. We need to rewire that you’re dead. But we know that every person, whether or not they have the holy spirit is an eternal being, right? So we end up going with Christ and those who reject him go to a place without him, but we are eternal. So we all go to sleep to be continued, to figure out where we’re going. So the devil wants us to play this like a short game. And the Lord is saying, no, play this like the eternal plan, like the eternal projection that it actually is when the eternal mindset, it awakens our immortality there are people in this world doing horrendous things in the name of becoming a mortal escaping death, escaping judgment.

Michelle Watson: But we know the truth that we don’t have to do anything to achieve immortality. It’s what are we, what is that one choice that dictates where we what’s our eternal address. And when you come there, you get a new set of convictions and a new set of priorities and you start to pray, hopefully for wisdom. I love the book of Proverbs because it just shows you how ready and willing God is to give you the wisdom that will then lead you to better discernment, and then will lead you to boldness. If you start asking for boldness and stuff before wisdom, who knows what will happen, but the Lord is faithful. But when you ask for wisdom, then all the tools that he then entrust you with, you know, a little bit more how to operate them. And one of my favorite pastors, Craig, he wrote a book, dangerous prayers, and the most dangerous of the prayers he writes about in my opinion is the break me prayer.

Michelle Watson: It makes me think when you’re talking about the rotting flesh, it makes me think of all the different ways you can clean a body, right? Get rid of the stench. There’s, you know, in science and biology, when they’re trying to get down to the bones to, to study the skeleton of a person, they’ve got maggot pits, they’ve got chemical solutions. There are different ways you can get rid of the stinky, you know, and in our own walk, there are different ways he’s going to get rid of the stinky. But none of them sound that great. Even yesterday in a life group, someone was saying, you know, without the stone-throwing, would we grow? And it, and, and so without what does his cleaning process look like? It’s not always fluffy and convenient because it’s driving you to a place where you have to look face to face with those convictions.

Shea Watson: No, that was so good. And you know something to my first passing, The best personal development place, you can be. There are two in a church because why because you have to forgive people. You know, we can live and work with people for years and don’t speak, but you can’t do that in church. You can’t, you don’t suppose to email, you know, I’m sure there are people that try it. Are we in a church that, you know, you develop, you learn how to submit to people? Cause you gotta be under people that may, you may even be smarter than them. I know how to do it better, but God places, you want people to humble you so that he can use you at a greater level. You don’t have to forgive people because you still gotta work. You gotta, you still gotta come to church. You don’t leave your church. Cause somebody offended you. And then in marriage or you have to learn how to submit yourself to your husband. Your husband has to love you. Like Christ, love the church. So those are the places that are the best for personal development. And what I love about being rewired. When you become a part of the body in our church, family, then God starts to be wired you because he puts you in that place with that person that irritates you and what God has shown me in, particularly since I’ve been married to my husband, the very thing about that person that you feel is such a trip about them. It’s really the area that God wants you to die at. And that death is what God takes to move you. What I was I’ve been studying lately is rooted in pride because even offenses rooted in pride, well, who, who are they talking to me?

Kareemah El Amin: But who are you? I mean, God, did he die for us? And so it’s like, this is what God gives us this. And so when you forsake the fellowship on the brother and God tells us don’t forsake it because he knows that’s the only place I could develop you. That’s the only way I can teach you patience. I can teach you good stewardship because you pay your ties and your offer. I can teach you how to submit because you be under authority. I can teach you how to not be offended. Even though the fences will come because that’s the work. And so we take ourselves out of the very places, oftentimes that God uses to develop and our marriage, we don’t want to submit Michelle. You know, as women where we, you know, we have husbands and even if you know God dealing with me this today, I mean, God deals with his girl. He was like, you must honor your husband at all times. He said I give him the vision for this family. You don’t get to decide you don’t like the vision. He said, if you have an issue with anything, he’s doing, you talk to me and not him. And he like rebuked me because you know was like, you don’t get to, or you don’t get to disagree with his decisions.
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Kareemah El Amin: I was at work. He said the reason is I give him he’s the head. He says, just like you don’t get to disagree with Christ. You don’t get to disagree with your husband. He said, anything that I need to walk out of here, you tell me and I’ll deal with him. But you submit. And I was like, it was like, as much as you could understand, I was like, I don’t wanna hear that. But then as God starts to just keep you to kind of left it. And we kept fellowship. He was saying, why do I need you to submit? He said, because when you submit to him, then I can trust you with submitting to me because you will never submit to God. People say I don’t need to submit to God. First God, you show your submission to God, but how you submit to a man.

Kareemah El Amin: So if you don’t submit to him you will never submit to me. So God’s like, I keep asking for a closer relationship with him. He said, the more you submit to him, the closer you’ll get to me. I was like done. I was like, wow. But it makes sense because if I don’t do what God’s were telling me to do, then I’m not honoring him because he says, I’m a woman. He is the person he put over me. So I respect God’s choice in me that I have to respect the man. He put over me. And even if I don’t, I still have to submit to it because then it shows God that I honor him and I go to him in prayer. And those are those, those areas that we want to look at all the big things and not want to deal with that. He did the small little circle. He said that’s the area I need you to deal with. You’re trying to go outside of the circle. I just need you to deal with this circle, all that stuff going on with you. I know who I helped, but I know how to help somebody.

Shea Watson: Isn’t it amazing how that that little area requires a double edge sword to the bone marrow and I’m going to be on as the man in the room, right? I’m like, oh, you know, I could be over like, yeah, that’s right. I’m going to tell you something spiritual headship and home when you really are submitted to Christ because that’s who I submit to. Okay. It’s it is a battle in itself. It is a family. And you know, you’re always sitting there like, okay, God is this the right decision is this. And you have to sit there and say, okay, I’m gonna pull this trigger. And then the consequences, you know, it’s either his or it was yours. You get that consequence. You know, it’s like, because you are submitted, you are submitted. And you look at your family, not as an overpowering, you look at them as a family.

Shea Watson: And it’s like, okay, how are we going to exist in this family? How are we going to succeed in this family? And it’s because we’re going to all be under that, that, that, that banner of love and sitting at that banquet table with the Lord and see the enemy wants to take that away and are rewiring, right? He wants to take that away. Now I’m going to throw this out there. Whether people are going to accept this or not. I’m like, okay, today, I’m going through some stuff. And I’m looking at the enemy and I’m looking at society and I’m looking at how the enemy likes to come in and distract. Right? And, and I’m not going to go into why or who the person I was looking at. But there were some, some quotes that were put out there. And one of them is exactly what you used to learn from a book that honestly we could say is from the right.

Shea Watsom: It’s not the right book, but let me tell you something. When I read this, it sounds like the enemy, this is writing its own. The enemy likes to flaunt, right? The enemy likes to sit there and be like, yeah, guess what? This is who I am now. He’ll make it look like it’s coming from God. And God is saying, this is what Satan is saying, but this is Satan speaking for himself. And it says, and Satan will say when the matter is decided, when the human is going to the hellfire, it was God who gave you a promise of truth. I, to promise. But I failed in my promise to you. I had no authority over you except to call you, but you listen to me then reproached, not me, but reproached your own souls. I can not listen to your cries nor can you listen to mine.

Shea Watson: I reject your former act in associating with me, with God, for wrongdoers, there must be a grievous penalty. He just spoke about himself in that book. Now, Hey, I don’t care what I get hit on it because he’s flaunting. He’s sitting there telling me he’s, he’s putting it into a book. And people are studying this book and living by this book. And they’re thinking that this is him talking to them when it’s actually him talking, right? It’s like, you follow me. I’m going to cry with you. Inhale such dead, right dead. And this is what people are rejecting. And that, and this is where we get into that rewired. When we start to sit there and we think about this and we’re like, oh wow, what does this rewiring mean? What does it, what is this rewiring like? Okay, you have the unbeliever, you have the believer, right?
And the unbeliever, it’s rewiring to understand who God really is, what the consequences are. And actually how, as we’ve been sitting here in this discussion and talking about this, how he changes, how we capture those thoughts and he changes us for better, right? It’s not because it’s some book. The Bible is not some book that is just like, I’m making you do something because I own, you know, it’s to be better. And here I read this quote today and it’s like, Satan is just basically sitting there saying, you follow me. That’s your choice. But you follow the wrong person basically.

Kareemah El Amin: And I’m so glad you brought up the book because it’s not just the book. The sense at the beginning was the word and where it was going to where his guy or what was going to wear his God. So what the Bible is God. And it’s a reflection of who we are now, whether we have a tape, the same level of glory is based on how much we want it, because God is offering the table was set before us. He’s like take it. I gave it all to you. You are co-heirs with Christ. So it’s just a, it’s a reflection of, you know, we always say, and in my mind, the church is like, God’s will is his word. If you ever want to know what God feels about, somebody go to his word because that’s what we is. We’ve been made in an image in his likeness.

Kareemah El Amin: We’ve been made just like him. And that’s why the angel always like who a man is, that you are a mind for them and sentiment because they try to figure out how did you make them in your image? And they act so unlike you. But God says, I give you my word as the instructional manual of how you are now. The level of light that you receive for me shows that in your life, but it doesn’t make you any less everything that’s in that book. But it’s whether or not you want to do the work, go through the process, um, die to yourself enough. So then God can arrive. You know, as John said, I must become less than he must become greater. So the less we would come, the more we die, the more we see that reflection of God in his words, in our life.

Kareemah El Amin: And that’s what only the world can renew our mind. Only the word can help us become that person. So I am a word addict, a whole seller relevant. The world works everything. I believe. I don’t. I always tell people, I don’t have an opinion. When you come to me for counseling, I give you the word because the only thing that can change you, I don’t have an opinion outside the war. When people ask me, how do you feel? What nobody, how you feel. I don’t have, that’s the challenge with our world today. You got an opinion and that’s the problem. I don’t have opinions. I have the word. So as believers, we have to get away from this. But what I mean, I know this is what the worst is, but now I that’s, the first problem is no, it doesn’t matter how you feel.

Kareemah El Amin: And that’s the way I live my life. And it is. And I tell anybody that’s in any group that I’m over long, how to don’t give yourself an option about what you think only care about what you think, what is the worst thing? That’s what you follow. I don’t give myself an option. I don’t give myself an option when my pastor tells me. So I’m learning more and more Michelle, not to give myself an option on my husband telling me something, because at the end of the day, God honors headship. He honors. We put an authority to align to the world and we live at Christiana. Oftentimes that I walked the water line to my situation, but God says you aligned to his word. And so you’re lying to his word. I just don’t want to say not giving yourself an option about how I feel about it.

Kareemah El Amin: Feelings are so unpredictable to me that are worthless because I always use this story. You have a feeling that day, but if I walked into the room and you could be sad and offer you $10,000, all of a sudden you’ll be happy. So they’re just unreliable. Anything, most people, if you give them what they want as I haven’t been all of a sudden, they pick, they feel different. So I don’t give myself opinions. I don’t give myself feelings. I just go by the word. And that’s when God was dealing with me this morning. And my husband’s like, that’s my word. I am supposed to honor respect him. And he’s supposed to love me like Christ loved the church. So it doesn’t matter if he’s not doing his job. As long as I do mine, God is inside me. And as long as God is on my side, I can’t go wrong.

Michelle Watson: I’m so fed. I’m so fed in this pantry today. You know, one of the things. So I had some verses, I was like, I may or may not use. I always kind of put them on everything. Y’all just said it just reinforced them. So I’m just gonna run through them all at once. Cause they actually build on each other in a way I didn’t see till just now, but I know he’s just so he’s, I call him a master quilter, which is hilarious. Cause it’s a quilt, but I’m just like, it’s, it’s, it’s amazing. So Matthew 10:28 says, and do not fear those who kill the body, but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body inhale. And then in John 11:26, it says, and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?

Michelle Watson: It’s that simple! And all of the talks about the short game and all of that, all that stuff, it can completely throw us off and make us rely on short-term things like emotions and opinions. And it says in Romans 14:84 if we live, we live to the Lord and if we die, we die to the Lord. So then whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord’s we’re secure. And this is my favorite one that I knew I was going to add. Cause 1 Corinthians 15 is packed full of life, death ministry. Um, but this one verse it stuck out to me in a way it never did before. The last enemy to destroy is death. And when you were talking about the devil, we love to say, I mean, he’s a, he’s a real deal. He can really trip you up.

Michelle Watson: You can really mess you up. He’ll he? You can blame him all day, but in a video game and even in movies, there’s that final battle, big, bad in the show, the walking dead that I used to watch religiously, they literally, the show writers would call the person that was like the final, like the big villain of the, of the most recent season. They call it the big, bad who’s this month, this season’s big, bad, the big, bad of the Bible. Ain’t the devil it’s showing depth. And you can and then think about it. What did Jesus defeat on the cross?

Michelle Watson: And when we come to Christ, right? Made a mockery of it. And then in our own lives, we are so focused on of the little enemies, the little distractions, the little struggles that we, and we’ve convinced ourselves. One of my, uh, my coaches recently said, we so often we’ll build up all these prerequisites for ourselves and forget where the one who put them there. We convince ourselves, we have to get through all the little beds to defeat the big, bad, but God has said I defeated them all. So you can go straight to the big baggy way. Anyway, you can go straight to death and say, you’ve been conquered. I’m a mortal. I live in Christ. Anyone who lives in Christ and believes in him will never die. I believe this. So I can unlock that eternal mindset today. And I can stop obsessing and making all my life’s decisions based on what I’m going to eat, what I’m going to wear.

Michelle Watson: Who’s going to pay me how big my house is going to be. What kind of car I’m going to drive? How cute my husband’s going to be. I can let all those decisions rest at the foot of the father because none of those pay eternal dividends. One of the biggest things that I’ve been trying to unlock and people, when they talk, when they come to me with their ministry, like how do I free up time? I’m like one of the best ways to free up time is to stop worrying about all of the results and focus on the quality in which you can control. What can you actually do? You cannot govern the outcome. That’s God’s arena, right? You have to sit and say, what will impact eternity? And when you sit and you camp in that, and that’s what you focus on. And that’s what you’re asking God, every day, the rest will take care of itself because God made that promise already.

Shea Watson: I got a question if is no longer I, but Christ who lives in me. Right? And we’re talking about this emotion, right? So the enemy has a little portion that he says live in your emotion. But if it’s Christ who lives in me, am I supposed to live in Christ’s emotion? Hmm. Think about that for a minute because he has emotion. He’ll weep with us. Right? Right. He’ll be with us. But when we put word and truth in front of all of that emotion that we have inside of us, the emotion that comes out is pure emotion. It’s God’s emotion is anger. Anger is a holy emotion, but those are not ones that are lead to sin and death. Those are the ones that live to righteousness and sanctification. So there’s definitely a difference. There’s a demarcation.

Shea Watson: Yeah. I just taught on flipping tables. Right? Cause everybody likes to say, well, Jesus flipped tables. I’m like that brother fashioned a whip. But he went in there. He was mad. He was like, what are you doing in this outer court where my Gentiles are allowed to worship me. And he’s like, Hey, you’re in here selling in my court. You’re selling it in my temple. And he’s like, he fashioned a whip. This is our God. This is like, he takes the time. It’s like, he didn’t just go into like, ah, like, you know, you see on TV with the wrestlers or something. It’s like, he goes to these, like, fashion’s a whip. He’s like, I’m getting ready, boys getting ready. And then he goes to work. But see, it was righteous. It was righteous because what was happening, he was, they were going after the temple, they were going after the place where the Gentiles could meet God. So when inside of us as the temple, are we all, are we so surprised when our insides get turned out? When we allow things in to start impacting our temple and where the holy spirit resides, he’s like, ah, not in my house. I occupy you. Right? You got to go. And it’s just amazing how this rewiring takes place.

Kareemah El Amin: And that goes back to the whole thing. With this, with the walking dead only asked you as you die to yourself, can you actually live in those experiences and appreciate because as long as you got self-involved, you don’t see it as they, when you see it as something you’re losing because God says, seek ye first, the kingdom of God and his righteousness, all these things will be added onto you. We want us, we want the things that God asked us, but we don’t want to seek him to get him. We want God to seek us and what we want. And we want to believe that’s the app, but that’s not even God’s will for you as your will for yourself. But as you seek God, people always ask me, what should I do to serve? Because in-service you’ll find God’s purpose. You could only if you can, your purpose outside serving the God said, let my people go.

Kareemah El Amin: So they may serve me. He said that over and over and over and over because serving God is what we were creating. If we want creative for ourselves, creative, for him to have a family and for us to reconcile the rest of his family, go back through our service to him. So we want to, we don’t want to serve God. And I’m not saying that’d be a pastor. Matter of fact, marketplace ministry is my, is my place because you’re supposed to serve God wherever you add. So it’s that we have this ideology and I believe it’s October, but it was demonic that wants us to take God out of our marketplace or our jobs, not understanding that is our platform. That is our pulpit. And so, as we are dying to ourselves, then we know that we can, we don’t accept positions or jobs that don’t allow us to be who we fully are, but we can be a full drunk or a full party girl at the, but you can’t be a full Christian. Do you know what I mean? It’s just like, we, we accept all these things, right? And we will win. We don’t demand that we seek the kingdom. So when you’re seeking the kingdom, it’s like in every area of my life, I’m going to be loud and proud about it. As every other community group is, I need to be able to be, and I need to be convicted enough to be loud and proud in my Christianity. Not in diminishing. Anyone else is by showing you that I would say being a Christian is lit because I have an amazing guy, right? It really is. I, this whole notion that being Christian is somehow less than this demonic narrative that has been played out. That we’re all, you know, unloving judgment. It’s just not the truth. It’s the people groups that are far more judgmental than Christians are because you can talk about a lot of laws that are being enacted, that people want Christians to just not exist our beliefs and what we, and how we feel about the way things are put biblically.

Kareemah-El-Amin: But the reality is being a Christian is a lit bit, live dying to self is life because when you die to self, you’re not, you don’t have this up and down emotions to depression. I’ll press you just all the time. It’s up and down, up and down because the self is a place that is nothing but death. You know, this whole. And on the other side, you know, that whole thing of self, and I’ve been working on things about pride and everything is really at the end of the day, it’s that pride and that self that we don’t want to kill that flesh, that we don’t want it to die because you know, we like our flesh. We want our flesh and God has always sent us a lead flashing alarm because it’s holy. He goes back and I want to live this life as a walking dead person that is true, um, in newer to any kind of fleshly things like offense.

Kareemah-El-Amin: And you can’t do it. I mean, God, he said, I live my life fully God and fully human. So everything you’ve experienced Christ experience. And he overcame it. He said the devil had nothing in me. So I want to be able to be saved. The devil has nothing in me. And the only way that happens is the more I reconciled myself. The more time I spent in his presence, the more I learn who God is, the more I become more like who I am already by actually living it in my daily life. So I’m just on this continue. I said I got this little small circle and it’s all about me developing myself. And it’s not me focused on me is me focused on God. So as I stay looking at him, he starts to show the real me that I need to deal with. So I can become more, more like its image.

Shea Watson: That’s awesome. I mean that, that I don’t even have to finish the episode. Now, look at that. That’s like right on the money. Bam, you guys heard it. You heard it here seek. And it only one verse to go out with Matthew 7:7-8 ask and it will be given to you seek and you will find knock and the door will be open to you for everyone who asks, receives the one who seeks finds, and the one who knocks the door will be open. You want to rewire. You want to rewire the season. Man, read Matthew seven, eight, meditate on it, go from there because it’s rooted. It’s rooted in the rest of the Bible. The Bible is just not one verse. The Bible is rooted. If you want to change, if you want to stop being a walking dead, if you want to come to Christ, man, get ahold of us or get ahold of somebody around you that, that you know, knows Christ. But man, let’s stop walking dead and let’s start living life the way God designed it and intended it to be amen,

Michelle Watson: Man. This has been a powerhouse episode. If you were listening at two times the speed, go back, listen again. It’s worth it. It’s worth it for sure. So we always have a weekly question. So this week’s weekly question is how does it feel when you are dying to yourself in your own life? Check it, check it, kind of look at it. Do you, are you at a point where you rejoice in it? Is it frustrating? Does it make you angry? Do you fight it? But we want to hear your answer. We want to kind of see how people experience the dying to self recently. Because you might not feel so alone or so discouraged when you hear other people’s responses and we just want to say thank you for being on the show. Thank you so much.

Michelle Watson: It’s always a blessing when we get to sit and talk with you. It’s just so edifying. I love you! Take a second to let everyone know how they can connect with you in the digital space.

Kareemah El Amin: Well, thank you so much. You can connect with me on, relevant DC on Instagram relevant the word works on Facebook. Our website is relevant dc.com. So any place, you know, leave us a voice message. We have this new website and you can leave voice messages on it. It’s really cool. So I’m like somebody uses it. We got all this stuff. My whole life now is just talk important to women particularly and help them to be better wise, better mothers, better entrepreneurs, just how do we help build ourselves? Cause I know we are that, that backbone that our husbands need, that the men in our lives need to help push them because when we do a plug and play our role, our job is to make sure our husbands and the men of our lives fulfill their destiny.
Michelle Watson: Y’all heard it here. She’s amazing. She loves the Lord. That’s why she’s amazing. So you can connect with us@thepantrypodcast.com as well as on Facebook, Instagram, all the fun places. So until next, that was awesome.

KEYWORDS: DIE TO SELF. LIVE IN CHRIST. WALK BY FAITH. FIND YOUR PURPOSE. BE WHO GOD DESIGNED YOU TO BE.