In part one of our three-part Watson Takeover series with fellow podcasters Amy and Markus Watson, we’re talking about the damaging effects of slander (words can totally hurt you, y’all) and how Christ helped bounce back Pastor Markus after dark (and false) allegations were placed on him. To continue listening to the special after our episode concludes, hop over to Wednesdays with Watson, hosted by Amy Watson for part two and Spiritual Life and Leadership by Markus Watson for part three.
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QUESTIONS WE TOUCH ON IN THIS EPISODE:
- How to cope with disappointment?
- How to move forward in Christ?
- Finding peace in hardships?
VERSES FROM POISONED WELLS:
Psalm 7, Hebrews 10:30, Luke 6:27-28, Philippians 4:8, Romans 8:28, Hebrew 4:15.
QUOTES FROM POISONED WELLS:
“I think it’s interesting because you know, our season is unnatural nourished, and we’ve been planning this for months and months. So we didn’t even know what the season was going to be called. We planned it. But I think it’s so fitting because of the way in which you brought through and that God led you through to these conclusions that you’re in now in this place, that a lot of people still can’t wrap their heads around.”
Michelle Watson, The Pantry Podcast, Special Episode.
“And that’s kind of where we’re at. You know, like this is where I want to start it. It’s like, love your enemies. Do good to those who hate you. Bless those who curse. You pray for those who mistreat you. Luke 6:27-28. And the Lord has told us to let him take care of vengeance.”
Shea Watson, The Pantry Podcast, Special Episode.
“I am so grateful for the God who has redeemed me. And I’m staring at a man on a screen who just loves Jesus and is beaming him. I’m loving the conversation and y’all just keep going”.
Amy Watson, The Pantry Podcast, Special Episode.
“But healing comes through suffering and if it hadn’t been for that experience, I wouldn’t have been able to experience the love of God and the way that I did I’ll share one moment.”
Markus Watson, The Pantry Podcast, Special Episode.
Annotated Transcript
Michelle: Hey, you’re listening to part one of a special three-part series. We’re calling the Watson takeover where we joined forces with podcasters, Amy Watson of Wednesdays with Watson and Markus Watson of spiritual life and leadership, no relation yell in one mega conversations spread across all three of our podcasts. Enjoy.
Shea: Hey
Shea: And it’s exciting to be here today. This is so awesome. I’ll pop it up a little bit more. It’s been in the works for months, right? And so here we are. We’re sitting here on a epic day and I’m gonna just let you roll in with that and just introduce our guests.
Michelle: So here’s how this works. We’re recording three podcasts in one sitting. Woo. And you will need to pop over to Markus and Amy’s podcast after this one to get a full picture of everyone’s testimonies lessons learned and inspiration for you around this idea of overcoming various traumas with Jesus at the helm on our portion, we’re focusing on Markus’s story with Amy dropping in additional nuggets. And so she’s going to be popping in making us laugh as much as hopefully Shea and I do sometimes. But we’re, we’re going to be focusing on Markus. Now, Markus has a very interesting story, and we’re going to have links in the show notes too. Like you can listen to his entire account of what’s that were what were kind of like cliff noting here, but it he’s a pastor and Markus please feel free to correct or elaborate on any of this.
Michelle: Um, and while giving counsel to a woman whose husband had an issue with pornography, apparently he didn’t respond in the way the woman thought he should. And based on this dissonance became convinced that Markus must also have an issue with pornography. This was taken to the church board and ultimately dismissed, but the end result didn’t leave everyone feeling warm and fuzzy. So at that point, another woman, one on the board was not satisfied with Markus’s innocence and came to the conclusion the pornography issue was even deeper. And she got it in her mind that he also possessed child pornography, which at this point, if your stomach’s dropping. So again, we’re skipping a lot of the details that you’re able to hear on the interviews that we are going to have linked in the show notes.
Michelle: But you know, Markus was cleared of all of this with an investigation by the FBI and this investigation was not even like, well-documented like Markus didn’t even know, and he’ll go into this, but it wasn’t even clear to Markus that this was even happening, but it was also a comfort because an official investigation was conducted and he was officially cleared of these charges through forensic analysis of his computer. He also has an accountability partner and apps on his mobile devices since he was a pastor that, you know, would flag anything weird and everything came up clean. And at the end of this, Markus ended up leaving the church, not the church at all. Y’all but the church that he was currently serving at, so the aftermath in Markus’s life, spiritual and otherwise is the focus of our conversation today.
Shea; Yeah. You know, when I think of this, I think of poisoned Wells, um, poisoned Wells, go back to ancient times from ancient times to modern day, believe it or not. And when I think of this, it’s like, when you think of it on a, on this militant level, you know, like Wars and all this stuff, they would go in they’d occupy, but then it might pull back and they would actually poison the water Wells. See, when you poison the water wells, you poison the life. You no longer can feed cattle. You can no longer water your crops. You can no longer, you know, even survive as a human being because you have to have water. So this poisoning of the well has a huge effect. And you know, the old saying sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me. Y’all yeah, right.
Shea: There was no stones thrown physically, but there were quite a few stones thrown verbally and spiritually. And, and you know, what I really love about this story is his walkthrough. I love how Markus has come out of this. And you know, what we’re talking about on the Watson take over is this victory that we’re in poisoned the Wells. It’s a type of fallacy know it was just something that really, it had no truth. But by the end of all of this, even being found, not guilty, nothing was done. Markus had to pick up and move because still because this lady that you were talking about, the elder right. To poison, right. Two different women, but she poisoned the well, see the first one, I look at it as an accusation. The second one I look at as pretty much libel, slander, written, slander. However you want to look at that. And this is where you get that defamation, right. Of character or whatever. And then it goes to this vote and the church votes. And I think they, Markus correct me if I’m wrong, they voted for you, but was marginal.
Markus: I’ll just say that this was over the course of about a year. Right. And it, like you said, it started out with this person was sharing with me about her husband’s pornography problem. And she said to someone who then shared with me that what she said, when I told pastor Markus about my husband’s pornography problem, he didn’t react the way I thought he would, he must have a problem with it too. So whatever it was, I don’t know what it was, but something as she expected something, I don’t know. And that’s what it was for her. Right. I didn’t find out until later who it was like literally like four or five months later. And let me just say, look, it’s not like I’ve never looked at in my life. Right. I mean, it’s so easily accessible, but it’s important for me not to.
Markus: And so I’ve been in accountability relationships for a long time, accountability software on my computer and on my phone. Right. All my devices and my accountability partner checks. And it just, the other day I was watching something on, well, you know, so it triggers images and it wasn’t, it wasn’t a nudity or anything, but it was like a picture of a guy in a mustache lying in a bed on some old 1970s movie. He’s like, oh, this got triggered. What is it? But it blurs it out for him. He can’t see the image. And I’m like, I’m like, Oh no, no, dude. It’s not that I know I got a thing about it too. Right. So anyways, just to say, right, my accountability is ongoing because it’s important. Right. And it was happening then. And so at the time I was like, I got, you know, I got nothing to worry about, but part of the challenge was the, the allegations were not handled appropriately in our denomination I’m Presbyterian.
Markus: We have processes for everything and they didn’t follow the process, which left me vulnerable. And that person was able to make the accusation a second time when they didn’t like the outcome, then it became official. And then it was, I was officially declared, well, they don’t call it not guilty, but they’re, you know, there was no evidence to support the allegations, but then it got to the church. And then after a few more months, you know, when someone says child pornography, as soon as I heard that, that’s what someone was saying about me. I was like, well, I guess that’s the end of my ministry here. Right. Cause right. People just believe. I did get voted out of my congregation, by a margin of two votes. I think a lot of folks were like I don’t know, what’s true, but I’m going to play it safe and vote to not have him be here anymore, you know? But then from there, well, things developed
Michelle: Yeah. So on that real quick on that note, welcome this is the first time we’re doing this. So welcome. Y’all. Um, but I mean, yeah. I mean, it’s important to set the stage and, and just kind of paint the picture of like, w just think for a second, what would you do if factually innocent, but double accused. Right.
Shea: And that’s kinda where we’re at, you know, like we we’ve heard it. We want you guys to go in here. It, because you really need to, but we want to get to the victory. We want to get to what Markus was about to flow in. And he’s like, but you know, you heard that, but, but you know, even King David, if you look at like Psalm 7, he’s talking about how Kush, right. It was throwing accusations about him. And it’s like, he’s in the first couple of verses says, Oh the Lord, my God. And you, I put my trust, save me from all those that persecute me and deliver me less. They tear me like a lion rendering me in pieces while there is none to deliver all Lord, my God, if you have done this, if there’s a Nick weeding in my hands, if I have repaid evil, and we know that that’s not where Markus was at though
Markus: Man, I get those Psalms though. I bet you do.
Shea: Yes. And that’s kind of where we’re at. You know, like this is where I want to start it. It’s like, love your enemies. Do good to those who hate you. Bless those who curse. You pray for those who mistreat you. Luke 6:27-28. And the Lord has told us to let him take care of vengeance, Hebrews 10:30. So that is the position we want to hear about. Tell us, Amy, do you guys think that throwing on that? Like,
Amy: Yeah. Now I just, I’m in awe, and we’re doing this on a zoom meeting and I’m looking at a man who is not better. And we’re all going to put in our show notes where you can hear his full story, but he’s been through some traumatic stuff and his family went through some traumatic stuff and I am so grateful for the God who has redeemed me. And I’m staring at a man on a screen who just loves Jesus and is beaming him. And so I’m loving the conversation and y’all just keep going
Shea: So tell us about how you, the process of getting through it.
Markus: Yeah. What’s the right, what’s the word I’m looking for it. I mean, it’s counterintuitive, it’s paradise, it’s a paradox, right? That, um, healing comes through suffering, which is but that’s, I mean, that’s the, what the cross is, right. But healing comes through suffering and if it hadn’t been for that experience, I wouldn’t have been able to experience the love of God and the way that I did I’ll share one moment. Um, that that really meant a lot to me. During the darkest part of really during the first three months of these accusations, and I had no idea what was going on. I knew they didn’t know if someone had put something on my laptop that triggered this investigation. You know, once, once they had started looking at it and I knew I, I hadn’t looked at child pornography, but I was afraid.
Markus: I was on sabbatical actually during the first few months. And so I had a lot of time to, pray and, and I did a lot of that at a lot of just spending time in scripture and, um, silence and solitude. And, and after spending some time in scripture one morning, probably one of those songs, like what you just read. Um, I kind of put my, my Bible down and I just sat there and was reflecting. And I started having these images in my mind and I started spiraling into worst case scenarios. And I thought, man, I could I could lose my my job. And I did eventually, um, I thought, man, I could lose my reputation, like among me and my fellow and Presbyterian. So our, you know, our pastors are all constantly connected to each other and but I might be that guy in our Presbytery, who is, Oh, you know what happened to Markus?
Markus: We don’t want to be like him. I could, I could lose my ordination. Right. And then I thought, boy, if it looks like I’m guilty of something, I could lose my family. I don’t think I actually would have, but yeah, that’s where my mind was going. Right. And then I started thinking, I could, I mean, I might have to move away from here. I might then I thought, boy, I could a registered sex offender.That like, that’s when I really got scared. And then I thought I could go to prison. If it looks like I’m guilty. And so then, so it’s like my mind had gone into the darkest place. I could possibly be having lost everything. You know, my, my home, my family, my, my ministry, my career, all that. And, and just with nothing. Right.
Markus: And then imagining feeling like I was in that place. It’s like at that moment that I heard God say, but Markus, you will, you will never lose my love for you. Right. You might lose everything else, but you will never lose my love for you. And, um, I tell you what, in that moment it was like, I understood God’s love in a way that I had never understood it before. Of course, prior to that, of course, I believe God loved me unconditionally. I knew that. Right. And I taught it and I preached it and I told people all the time, God loves you unconditionally. But it wasn’t until that moment that I was like, Oh, now I get it. It’s the only thing. And it’s the only thing that mattered in the end. I realized, I mean, maybe I would lose everything, but I would never lose God’s love.
Markus: So that was, I mean, in a way, that’s the thing that got me through this really difficult time after my sabbatical. I got, I went back to, you know church and was preaching on Sundays. It’s like, I know of other pastors who’ve gone through difficult times in their churches. And I would always wonder, man, how do they keep going? How do they keep preaching? And for me, it was like, I was just like fired up. I’m like, I don’t care. I’m going to preach it every Sunday, you know? And but that, that, that didn’t make it easier, but I was certainly impassioned to, because of what I was going through. So then after I got voted out of my church, I, I, the thought of going back into another church felt like throwing myself into a snake pit, you know, and a poisoned well, um, and I did not want to do that.
Markus: So I had some good people. I did have a friend who, um, another pastor who, as soon as this happened, called me up and say, Hey, you want to guest preach? My first thought was, no, no way, no way. I told my wife and she said, I think you should do it. And so I did found out that I love guest preaching because I can show up yeah, go home anyway. So that’s one of the benefits. But then the other thing that was really a blessed thing was another friend of mine named Jeff Shu, who was the executive director of an organization called flourish, San Diego, um, a nonprofit, you know, ministry organization that he had started maybe a year or two earlier, asked me if I’d consider going on staff with them. And having known Jeff and having known his heart and, and, knowing a little bit about what he was doing now with this organization.
Markus: Like, it was kind of a no-brainer for me, the challenge for me was, um, well, I had to fundraise my own salary. And so that was totally new, but also kind of a, because it just got me out of the, I need to please people, you know what I mean? Um, like in the church kind of thing, that it, it was, it was new, it was good. It was hard. But the best thing about those two years, I was that I, I could just sort of rest, like, I didn’t, I wasn’t the main guy, I didn’t have to be the pastor. I didn’t have to, I could just kind of do what I was called to do in that season, um, and heal. So it was a super healing experience for me, um, to be there. And then after a couple of years it became clear that I wasn’t going to be able to fundraise a full salary.
Markus: So that’s, you know, that was part of, and that’s okay. That was just kind of how God began to move me then onto the next thing. At the same time I was doing a lot of guests preaching. I started guest preaching for this teeny tiny little church in Westmoreland, California, about two hours East of San Diego, where I live and they had, their pastor had just retired. And so they asked me, would you consider being our interim pastor? I wouldn’t have said yes to them immediately after leaving my last church church, but after a couple years of healing and their kindness towards me, um, it felt like it was the right thing to do and, and it has been. And so I’ve been there for a couple of years now and
Amy: Sounds like that well is, um, not poisonous and filled with all of the Philippians 4:8 kind of stuff. Yeah, yeah. Right.
Markus: It’s nothing like it was before for sure. You know, of course human beings and there’s still things we got to work through, but, but you know, I go with more wisdom than I had before, more clarity, less naive maybe. And I’m, and I’m able to see my whole, my whole sense of what matters in life and in ministry has changed. I used to worry about how many people are showing up on Sunday. You know, how big is our budget? Do our facilities look impressive enough? You know, are, do we, do we have, an attractional worship service is our music cool enough? You know, and all those things now I’m like, all, all that matters is, am I doing what I’m called to do? And, God will take care of the rent. So we had, you know, we had 14 people in church, we’re doing outdoor services during the pandemic, you know, socially distanced, 14 people, including myself a few weeks ago, you know, usually around 25 or 30. It’s not a lot, but I was like, guys, Hey, if we didn’t have, you know, if we didn’t have to social distance, I’d get us into a circle right now and just do a small group and we’ll do church that way too, which would have been fantastic. And I’ve done that once, once before, but it’s like, I don’t care about how many people show up. Whoever comes, that’s who God wants there, and I’m going to, I’m going to serve you, however, God calls me to serve you. Right.
Amy: And you drive two hours to that church, which was so amazing to me. Yeah. So amazing.
Michelle: Yeah. I think it’s, it’s interesting because you know, our season is unnatural nourished, and we’ve been planning this for months and months. So we didn’t even know what the season was going to be called. We planned it. Um, but I think it’s so fitting because of the way in which you brought through and that God led you through to these conclusions that you’re in now in this place, that a lot of people still can’t wrap their heads around. It’s very easy. I mean, in the podcasting world alone metrics are a big stumbling block for a Christian podcaster. You know, there’s, there’s this like, how can I not be obsessed with my numbers? And we don’t necessarily like to focus on the ways that God unnaturally nourishes us with the bad, because in the world, it’s like, who wants to be nourished with bad, but God is a redemptive God. So he will, he will use everything. Romans 8:28. He will use everything for the good of those who love him.
Amy: It’s kind of like, you know, when you’re sick and you, and you take the medicine that tastes terrible, but ultimately it heals and it nourishes you. So, and, and it’s so unnatural for us to want to take the bitter pill that often leads to this nourishment of our soul. Like you’re talking about Michelle.
Michelle: Yeah. It’s, it’s that negative. It’s like the pain of working out to continuously get stronger. You’re breaking down your muscles and you’re in pain. And the only way to not feel the pain is to keep breaking down the muscles. Shay taught me that it just keep working out and you’ll never get to sort of move, but, but he uses these, these instances to bring you to a place that ultimately gives you even more to bring to the table. Um, and it starts with a poisoned, well, which is not a call for everyone to go poison someone’s well, just to build them up in Christ more, but it is this call, like, if this has happened to you, gossip and slander are a thing that wrecks people. And that’s why the Bible is so strongly, especially in Proverbs against it. But if this has happened to you, don’t get lost in that poisoned. Well, you have a God that can make that poison mean nothing to you. Like he did for Paul. Like, it doesn’t have to be permanently deathly poisonous to you when you focus on the living water that will flow into it until it dilutes the poison away.
Shea: Right. You know, I was, I was sitting there with the Hebrews two, you know, it’s like he sitting there saying, you know, I knew God loved me. It’s that head knowledge, right. If that head nods. Yeah. God loves me. Yeah. You know, you don’t quite get it. Sometimes guys will be a little slow on that love thing, you know? Like why, why would God say, you know, husbands love your wives, respect your husbands because we’re a little bit slow on that thing. But it’s like taking that head knowledge and into heart knowledge. And what I was thinking when he was talking about that, it’s like Hebrew 4:15. For, I do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize right. Without with my weakness. I’m going to say mine, you know, because I want people to understand this is you it’s it’s, it’s he speaking to you when he’s saying this it’s my weakness.
Shea: He sympathizes with this. And then it takes it one step farther. See, we sit in gray sometimes, and we don’t quite understand what grace is, but then we take that grace. And we understand that it brings us to this throne, this throne of grace, where it actually strengthens us. And so that dilution of the living water, right. That dilution bringing us to that throne of grace and then understanding one thing he sympathizes exactly with us, he understands what we’re going through and to be able to make that connection from head knowledge to heart, knowledge is huge.
Markus: Yeah, yeah. That what you just said reminds me also where Paul says, right. His strength is made perfect in my weakness. Right. Um, and again, right. That’s what we was, what we see in Jesus. Right. God’s strength was made perfect in Jesus’s weakness not only on the cross, but even just as a human being, right. Who, who, gave up all his power. Um, right. And, and God can identify with us because of that. And I think when we suffer, we can identify with Jesus because of this. I feel like, Oh, I understand a little bit more what Jesus went through on the cross. Right. And I think that’s why Paul says I’ve been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. It’s so it’s total paradox, right. That suffering would lead to healing or that a poison would lead to healing. Right. Right.
Markus: And yet somehow that’s how paradoxically God works. Or maybe we should say, yeah, God works that way. And as we would say, God, doesn’t, doesn’t ever cause the healing, but he’s so big and so powerful and so good, right. That he can take whatever evil there is in the world. What I experienced was evil. The things that, you know, you guys have been through are evil, but God can take it and somehow bring incredible good out of it. I don’t know. I’m not, I’m not that old.
Amy: I think you’re surrender. I think, I think our surrender to him take in these things, you know, that that verse in Romans 8:28 often gets misquoted. And we, we, we don’t understand our responsibility in it. And it is to go after the nourishment that Shea and Michelle have been talking about on their, on there in the season, unnaturally nourish, because so often somebody in a position like yours would be tempted to self-medicate or do any number of things. Um, because basically your identity was completely stripped from you, even though you’re called into a Royal priesthood and called into this marvelous light, which is what you’re talking about, this healing we’re called into this marvelous light. But, but I love this, this idea of suffering and poison turning in the nourishment.
Shea: See, it’s not like we just stopped in the nourishment. We don’t just stop at the fertilizer, but then we grow. Right. And, and man, I have, I have sat watched, Mark is he said some cool stuff as he’s driving. So keep that man. Get your little phone holder hit record all the time, man. Those little blurbs.
Shea: Um, I think that’s, what’s always drawn me is like, I’ve see this guy who’s gone through so much. Like, I mean, some people we’ve gone through things we’ve been stripped of things we’ve been done with things. But see, we’re always thinking in the spiritual, when we’re in church, we’re always thinking like, this is the natural, this is, this needs to be stripped away. And then you get the guy who’s supposed to be the spiritual and everybody questions. And it’s like, we’re gonna strip that away. And it’s kind of like this like void it’s like, Whoa, hold up. And then the bitterness, I’m sure. I’m sure that like, okay. Not to put a pastor on, on point, but I’m sure there is something there that you had to fight through as well.
Markus: Oh, totally. Yeah, absolutely. I remember um, I mean, I, yeah, I was mad. I mean if I hadn’t been, that would have been unnatural. Right. Anger. I mean, and anger is, I don’t think it’s sinful. Right. It’s a natural response to injustice. Right. And I experienced injustice and I was really angry about that. Um, and I, I didn’t forgive people right away. Um, I think I have by now. Yeah, I have by now. Um, and the reason I can say that I think is because I don’t think about it all the time. Right. It doesn’t feel like something that’s dragging me down. I’ve I’ve forgiven them. I’ve let it go. I know that those who did this probably have some hurt in their past that got triggered in some way. And that led them to make these accusations and so forth. But I was driving one day and I was listening to a podcast with Pete Scazzero, he wrote emotionally healthy spirituality.
Markus: And one of the best books I read during that dark time, that really helped me get through this. But, um, he said, you know, he said, are you able to forgive those who’ve hurt you or something like that. And I was just like, Nope, Nope, I have not yet. But then I was like, Oh, but I have to. And you know, and sometimes it starts like that. It’s maybe, you know, what the right thing to do. And maybe you’re a little reluctant at first, but you say, okay, Lord, I know I should forgive. So, um, I don’t totally feel it yet, but I’m going to say the words. All right, Lord, I forgive so-and-so and I forgive so-and-so and then I would just say it every now and then, you know? And sometimes it starts like that, I think. Right. But that’s part of the surrender thing too. I’m going to surrender to saying the words, even if my heart isn’t totally in it yet, and eventually your heart, God, I mean, God continues to do what he’s doing in you and your heart is able to catch up with your words. Yeah.
Shea: That’s actually awesome. And Amy kind of touched on that as well. You know, you hear it all the time. Abide in me, walk with me, come to me, you know, it’s like take that step and it’s like, we can be in that season, you know, of whatever feeling we’re going through. As long as we’re still going to the father, we’re still going through the son, we’re still seeking the Holy Spirit’s guidance. And I think that’s important for people
Shea: To understand. Cause I know there’s a lot of people out there right now that are probably thinking like, man, I just I’m so horrible. I can’t get through it. No, don’t, don’t lay that burden upon yourself. Lay that burden off on the Lord because the Lord is, who’s going to get you through it, but you got to go there. You got to go there.
Markus: Yeah, absolutely. I, I think one of the things that I really came out of this experience with was the fact that my primary identity over and above anything else is that I’m God’s beloved. Yes. And, and it really hit home. Just one of the books I read during this time was life of the beloved by Henry Nowan. Um, and a wonderful book. Everybody should read it. Um, one of the things he says is that when we discover ourselves to be God’s beloved it’s like, all we want is for everybody else to know that they are God’s beloved too.
Markus: And so I just want you to know, right? You are God’s beloved. That’s, that’s your primary identity, right? Whatever else you might be, it all comes under the fact that you are God’s beloved and, and whatever you’re going through. Here’s bonus number two, this is just a chapter in your life. This is not a right. This is not the end of your life. This is a chapter in your life. And, um, it’s not the end of your story. And so anyway, I hope that gives some hope as awesome.
Shea: Thank you so much, pastor Mark is Watson for being here with us today. Um, I think we’ve just been given a bunch of beautiful nuggets. Yeah. Yeah.
Michelle: Remember catch up with his episodes. He teaches about spiritual life and leadership and who better than someone who has come back from death from a poisoned? Well, he throws out some good questions on his little look, check out his group on Facebook. If you’re on Facebook, he does he challenges with great questions that make you think about just how things work in leadership. Yeah.
Amy: So guys, I have a question as we lead into the second part of the Watson takeover, um, as we talk about poison Wells and identity in Christ, um, I would love to, um, talk to Shay and Michelle, as we move on to the Wednesdays with Watson podcasts, that is what you would actually look for when you’re looking for the podcast and you do want to hear, um, and we’re doing it in three parts. And so my part is the middle. So what do, y’all say we, we, we kind of outro you guys out and put Shea and Michelle on the hot seat, on the Wednesdays with lots of podcasts.
Shea: I just want to say, okay, this has been so good. Oh, it’s all the poison.
Amy: Well, I’m taking that and just I and Markus talking about God loves me. And um, and, and dad, I’m going to just take and put in my heart and that’s the nourishment that I, that I, that I’m grabbing from the pantry podcasts and you’re unnaturally, nourished, um, season, which is so amazing by the way. So, um, yeah. So make sure you head over to the Wednesdays with Watson podcast because now we are going to put Mr. Shea Watson, beautiful bride, Michelle onto the Wednesdays with Watson podcast. And we’re going to continue to talk about this identity in Christ. So what say you guys you’re ready? Yeah, let’s go.
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